Barbsinclair: Utterly impossible Christ Jesus was an angel by essence / nature, because:
God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" Gen1:26, "Behold, the man is become as one of US" Gen3:22
"US / OUR" in text isn't God speaking to angels. Angels were never made in image / likeness of God.
All angels, including "Michael one of the foremost princes" (Dan10:13) never created a single thing, nor was man made in image/likeness of angels. Nor has God begotten any angel. Heb 1&2
Me: Who are angels "made in the image" of, if not Jehovah?
Barbsinclair: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Gn1:1, "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is..." Exo20:11
God is before all things, and by Him all things consist. Col 1:15-17
In the beginning God created all visible and invisible principalities in heaven after the image or likeness of nothing.
God created only man after the image and likeness of God. Gen1:26; 5:1-2
Me: So angels whom are God's creatures are made in the image of "nothing"?
Barbsinclair: Correct. In God's foreknowledge He choose to create only man after image and likeness of Himself (Gen1:26). Man's body (first Adam), was created / made like the body which God foreordained from all eternity which He Himself would one day assume = 1Pet 1:18-21
Heb10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, BUT A BODY HAST THOU PREPARED ME" [Col 1]
Me: I find it hard to believe that free will individually thinking creatures are not made in the image of their Creator. Angels clearly reflect Jehovah's qualities to some capacity, hence demonstrating that they are not simply made by in the image of nothingness, but in the image of Jehovah.
Barbsinclair: God gave man His truth in His Word to correct man's thinking. God gave His creation account in Gen 1&2. Only man (Adam), was created in the image and likeness of God, by God alone (Gen 1:26).
Its Satan who wants you to believe that angels were created in the image of God, to destroy the Gospel of God and His truth.
God (plural Elohim) speaks within Himself: Gn1:26And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."
In the beginning, only true God created all things. Its impossible God spoke with creatures in v26, creatures can't create / make man.
No angel had any part in the first Adam. No angel had any part in the last Adam, Jesus Christ!
Me: You would be in grave error to believe that Genesis describes the creation of all things. It doesn't. It only describes the creation of the physical universe.
Anyhow, it is obvious that free willed creations are made in the image of the one who made them. It would be absurd to think they are made in the image of nothing as if their God is an imageless being.
Their being called sons of God demonstrates who they are in the image of.
Barbsinclair: You haven't read Gen ch's 1&2, and Bible passages on God's creation. Word of God, describes:, the sea, all that in them is; including all thrones dominions principalities and powers: the non-physical spirit creatures visible and invisible. All creation was completed, God stopped (rested) on 7th day. in 6 days God made all things in heaven/s and earth
Me: Genesis 1 says nothing about "all thrones and dominions." You're reading Colossians 1 back into Genesis 1, which is an exegetical fallacy.
It is speaking about the physical universe, hence heaven and earth, with heaven in reference to our physical heavens.
Angels clearly existed before this "beginning" in Genesis. Read Job 38.
You can't get around the fact that angels are made in the image of God, just as his firstborn creature is. (Col1:15)
Those of you who know or have debated Barb, knows how she goes off into different topics and issues, but this conversation ended here, at least from my part it did.
Revelation12:10"and I heard a loud voice in heaven say'now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ,because the accuser of OUR BROTHERS has been hurled down,who accuses them day and night before our God"here the angels call the brothers of Christ our brothers.if they are brothers then logically they all bear the same image.Romans8:29"because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his son,that he might be the firstborn among many BROTHERS" all brothers bear the image of their father
ReplyDeleteAlso interesting is Paul's comment at Gal. 4:14 NASB ...
ReplyDelete"But you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself."