Many claim this text presents the "Trinitarian formula," namely, the names of the "Persons of the Trinity." What is going on here is an anachronism.
It's comparable to the Swastika. The Swastika originally appeared in the 6th century B.C.E. and had hardly anything to do with Nazi Germany. As time passed by, especially in Western culture, this symbol came to be viewed synonymous with Nazism, but in reality, it really had nothing to with it.
In a similar manner. the "father, son, and holy spirit" in Matthew has nothing to do with the Trinity much less a "Trinitarian formula." What has happened is that as time passed by, the Trinity was read back into Matthew 28:19. Indeed, this text by no means is a formula of a Trinity. It is only as such because of later ideas being brought into the text.
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ReplyDeleteAccording to Heb. 1:3 Jesus is the imprint [gr. character] of God’s [the father’s] *nature* [gr. *hypostasis*]
According to the Trinitarian incarnation in the “person” of the son there are two *natures*, this is called the *hypostatic* union.
If Jesus is the character of God’s hypostasis why does he have more than one? God only has one ("nature" not "natures")
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I would assume they would argue that at the incarnation he took on another nature and view Heb 1:3 as something before his taking on this other nature.
It's all very complicated when words are redefined by Trinitatians.
@Ivan the trouble with that defense is that the verse is in the present tense,thus the apostle is referring to the state of affairs as of the writing of the verse.But your point is taken even if this is pointed out I'm sure they'll come up with some circular argument that will satisfy the demands of trinitarian 'logic'if not actual logic.
ReplyDeleteSome claim that we cannot be baptized into a creature (I saw where a Trinitarian called it "blasphemous"), so when it says that we are "baptized into Christ." They say, he can't be a creature! Yet they ignore that all Jewish forefathers were baptized into Moses.
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